Thursday, 14 August 2014 12:53

A Conversation with a Loans Officer

Rate this item
(1 Vote)

Some time ago, I had the following conversation with a loans officer from a major Canadian bank:

Wally: When you issue these loans to borrowers you create the money out of nothing, don't you?

Banker: (with slight hesitation) Yes, that is true.

 

Wally: You do not actually take the money from anyone’s account?

Banker: No, we don’t.

 

Wally: And you say that you own the credit that you issue--correct?

Banker: Yes that is correct.

 

Wally: You must because you want it paid back.

Banker: Yes.

 

Wally: And you want interest paid on the outstanding principal--another claim of ownership. Right?

Banker: Yes, that is correct.

 

Wally: And furthermore, if we should ……………

Banker: (anticipating my next words) Yes, if you default on your loan we will foreclose on your assets.

 

Wally: Did you create those assets?

Banker: (perceptively at unease) No, we did not.

 

Wally: Do you return these foreclosed assets to the Community?

Banker: (visibly troubled and hesitating as having encountered a disturbing denouement) No, we do not.


On a subsequent encounter this same person asked me with obvious concern: “What can we to do about it?"

Last modified on Saturday, 10 February 2018 18:00

Leave a comment

Make sure you enter all the required information, indicated by an asterisk (*). HTML code is not allowed.

2 comments

  • Comment Link Pat Cusack Sunday, 16 July 2023 01:22 posted by Pat Cusack

    Dear Wally,

    When the Banker answers: "Yes that is correct", to your question about OWNERSHIP of "credit", he commits fraud. He LIES, and he knows he is lying, because any "credit" in that bank's account is the bank's liability. The bank is DEBTOR on such a liability account. The CREDITOR on that bank liability account is the customer. The credit-balance in any bank account is an asset of the CREDITOR (i.e., customer). The customer OWNS that credit-balance, as he would any other credit-balance in an bank account bearing his name.

    I just came here to see where Social Credit was today. I am a retired mechanical engineer who first discovered C.H. Douglas' writings over 50 years ago and followed his works avidly - until about 2014. You see, I'd forced myself to understand the basic rules of double-entry accounting and, by 2014, I finally become aware of the true nature of "bank-credit" and realized where Douglas had misled me to believe "credit" is a noun, when, in banking terms, it is an adjective, describing the balance in a LIABILITY account, where the bank is DEBTOR and the customer is CREDITOR, at all times.

    It is not the creation of credit which is wrong, it is the fraudulent claim to ownership of it by the bank, AS YOU POINT OUT.

    To see hard evidence of this crime, in public documents created by a bank in Australia, check out the first three articles on my new Substack - https://patcusack.substack.com/

  • Comment Link พุซซี่888 Thursday, 11 June 2020 23:42 posted by พุซซี่888

    What i don't understood is if truth be told how you're
    not really much more smartly-favored than you may be right now.
    You are so intelligent. You already know therefore considerably when it comes to this matter,
    made me for my part believe it from numerous varied angles.
    Its like women and men don't seem to be interested unless it's something to do with Lady gaga!
    Your personal stuffs nice. Always handle it up!

Latest Articles

  • The Creditary Nature of Money in Post Scarcity
    The Austrian School of economics maintains that money originated as a high-saleability commodity selected by market forces to reduce barter friction, treating credit as a secondary mechanism backed by pre-existing physical savings. This paper demonstrates that the Austrian foundational model rests on dual empirical and operational fallacies: the myth of commodity money and the myth of absolute physical scarcity. Drawing on A. Mitchell Innes’s credit theory of money, modern balance-sheet mechanics, C.H. Douglas’s Social Credit analysis, and the realities of modern industrial capacity, we show that money has always been credit—a system of clearing debt—and that credit creation precedes both savings and physical production. In a technological era characterized by systemic capacity abundance, holding to gold-standard or loanable-funds assumptions misdiagnoses the nature of financial capital, misunderstands the true drivers of inflation, and severely distorts macroeconomic analysis.
    Written on Sunday, 23 August 2026 12:14 Read more...
  • Morality, Douglas Social Credit, and Economics
    It is possible to frame the Douglas Social Credit diagnosis for our financial and economic woes, as well as its remedial proposals for monetary reform in the common interest of the citizenry, in terms of morality. Like the thread of Ariadne that led Theseus through the labyrinth of the Minotaur and safely out again, a specific understanding or conception of morality can serve as the fil conducteur—the guiding thread—which unfolds the DSC diagnosis and remedial proposals step by step in a systematic, logical way. Yet the deeper reason this moral framing actually succeeds as an explanatory heuristic is that the DSC model is itself endogenously moral: morality is not to be applied to the system from outside by the action of some agent (who presumably directs the system to moral as opposed to immoral ends); rather, morality is built right into the ordinary operating structure and everyday functioning of the…
    Written on Thursday, 06 August 2026 08:02 Read more...
  • The Canadian Federal Debt Debate: Auditor General Numbers, Framing, Causality, and a Social Credit Lens
    Understanding this question concerning federal debt in precise terms matters. It moves us beyond simplistic "debt trap" stories or denials of fiscal pressures toward a nuanced recognition of trade-offs, agency, and alternatives. Sustainable fiscal policy requires primary balance discipline, growth-enhancing reforms, and — in line with the Douglas Social Credit monetary reform proposals — exploration of more direct, less burdensome mechanisms to ensure adequate purchasing power. Canada's experience from 1974 onward offers lessons in both the power and perils of relying on debt-financed demand management.
    Written on Tuesday, 30 June 2026 10:25 Read more...